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Post by Ninjask on Aug 7, 2013 5:42:57 GMT
From my perspective on the game, she wasn't a floater. I didn't see you or Sable as a floater either, it was way too early in the game to say someone was getting carried through the game. I don't know why she said it. But Tangela had a lot of influence on how I played the game, almost puppet-like, which is why I adored her gameplay so much. No one has ever been able to persuade me to make so many moves against my best interests, and I appreciated that on a personal level. The only problem was that no one knew she was basically in control of me, so it looked like I did all the work. Okay yes, she told you what to do, but you still did it! Hell, I RESPECT how you played the game. If it were you and Charmy there, you'd have an easy lean on my vote. The problem with saying how she basically played the game through you is that by voting you out, she disassembled the game she had played thus far. |
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Post by Ninjask on Aug 7, 2013 5:44:32 GMT
She probably would have had better luck taking you to the finale (atleast with people less decided then myself), then someone like Charmander whom has a bunch of friends on the jury.:x
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Post by Ninjask on Aug 7, 2013 5:49:22 GMT
That was me. Sable told me he voted Charmander.
Sable was offline for the rest of the vote, so I had assumed he hadn't changed it. :/
So I passed the info to Charmy, without any real dealing being done?
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Post by Scyther on Aug 7, 2013 12:18:40 GMT
That was me. Sable told me he voted Charmander. Sable was offline for the rest of the vote, so I had assumed he hadn't changed it. :/ So I passed the info to Charmy, without any real dealing being done? lol wtf! Sable must have changed his vote then, because my eviction vote for round 1 has Charmander on it. |
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Post by Celebi on Aug 7, 2013 17:46:37 GMT
From my perspective on the game, she wasn't a floater. I didn't see you or Sable as a floater either, it was way too early in the game to say someone was getting carried through the game. I have no clue how she's played since then, but she was a huge floater in the beginning, many people were. But her main comment was "Floaters grab a life vest" and then nominated two strong players. Couldn't give either of us a reason for our nominations. And then rolled her eyes at Sable for referring to himself as not a floater. Until I was chosen to be on the jury, I ignored the game. Charm and I are friends outside of the game. Mind you this doesn't guarantee my vote as I just voted against Charm to win another game and he also voted against me in another game. But Tangela thinks I won't vote her strictly cuz I love Charmander and doesn't want to try to earn my vote. So I'm not sure I want to give it to her. |
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Post by Celebi on Aug 7, 2013 17:48:35 GMT
From my perspective on the game, she wasn't a floater. I didn't see you or Sable as a floater either, it was way too early in the game to say someone was getting carried through the game. I don't know why she said it. But Tangela had a lot of influence on how I played the game, almost puppet-like, which is why I adored her gameplay so much. No one has ever been able to persuade me to make so many moves against my best interests, and I appreciated that on a personal level. The only problem was that no one knew she was basically in control of me, so it looked like I did all the work. Okay yes, she told you what to do, but you still did it! Hell, I RESPECT how you played the game. If it were you and Charmy there, you'd have an easy lean on my vote. The problem with saying how she basically played the game through you is that by voting you out, she disassembled the game she had played thus far. If she played the game through you, then that means she IS a floater. I have to read the rest of your statements lmfao sorry |
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Post by Scyther on Aug 7, 2013 18:31:52 GMT
Okay yes, she told you what to do, but you still did it! Hell, I RESPECT how you played the game. If it were you and Charmy there, you'd have an easy lean on my vote. The problem with saying how she basically played the game through you is that by voting you out, she disassembled the game she had played thus far. If she played the game through you, then that means she IS a floater. I have to read the rest of your statements lmfao sorry Gotcha. I feel like you guys are more knowledgeable on ORGs and how these types of games are played than I am, lol, so feel free to give me your perception on things from "the other side", if that makes any sense. To me, Tangela wasn't a floater because she made it seem like she had a decent grasp on the game, and therefore was able to influence my decisions. But to you, Celebi and possibly others, that made her look like a floater. Would you mind going into some detail about that? |
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Post by Celebi on Aug 7, 2013 19:58:51 GMT
Floaters are usually people that sit back and let everyone else do everything. They tend to be sociable and likable but never win anything, sometimes throwing challenges to not have a target on them ever. BUT they also tend to do nothing. No strategizing, nothing. They ride coat tails. They also have a great grasp on the game because they know they can sit back.
I haven't seen Tangela in action, if she'd answer my question then maybe I could get a good read on what she did.
If you think she did a great job, then let me know. I mean, did she suggest everything to you on what to do? Was she in charge of all the decisions of what went down? Did she arrange this alliance of?? Who was in the alliance? What were the decisions and actions made?
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Post by Scyther on Aug 7, 2013 20:24:13 GMT
Floaters are usually people that sit back and let everyone else do everything. They tend to be sociable and likable but never win anything, sometimes throwing challenges to not have a target on them ever. BUT they also tend to do nothing. No strategizing, nothing. They ride coat tails. They also have a great grasp on the game because they know they can sit back. I haven't seen Tangela in action, if she'd answer my question then maybe I could get a good read on what she did. If you think she did a great job, then let me know. I mean, did she suggest everything to you on what to do? Was she in charge of all the decisions of what went down? Did she arrange this alliance of?? Who was in the alliance? What were the decisions and actions made? When I had questions about who to nominate for evictions, I went to her first. I would come up with ideas and she would essentially tell me if they were a good idea or not. She and I always agreed on who to vote for when neither of us were HoH, and we told the rest of our alliance quickly afterward. To be completely honest, it felt like she was keeping the alliance in check, because my social skills are shit. I'm not afraid to admit that, lol. When it came to the alliance of 6 - Tangela, Charmander, myself, Milotic, Jynx, and Gloom, I approached Tangela with the initial idea of forming an alliance with Dewgong. Tangela and I considered this alliance with Dewgong "soft", and not something we should commit to. Tangela revealed to me she was working with Jynx and had spoken with Charmander. I found out who Charmander was talking to and I believe it was Gloom and Milotic at the time. So Tangela and I agreed that Charmander should join our group along with his allies. So I approached Charmander with the alliance idea with the core purpose of splitting Leafeon/Lopunny. So Tangela wasn't 100% responsible for organizing the alliance, it was more like her and I equally put forth the effort to form it. Again, this is my first ORG ever! So I needed that guidance from somebody. |
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Post by Celebi on Aug 7, 2013 20:45:21 GMT
Ok, so this helps me out a bit. She obviously wasnt' a floater, but she aligned with floaters, that irks me. I wish she'd get her panties out of her ass and answer me though. I'm not going to vote for her just based on what you tell us. Although you're helping sell the point. Sounds like she did more than just lay back.
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Post by Scyther on Aug 7, 2013 22:19:34 GMT
Yeah - I don't want to earn votes for her either. That's something she needs to do. I feel like I gave her a chance with my question for her in my thread. She has explained/exposed a LOT, but I don't think it will be good enough to earn everyone else's vote. I don't want to politic for her, but I do want you guys to know that she did more than what it looks like on the surface. All I want her to do is reveal everything, but she hasn't, yet  EDIT: After re-reading her response to my thread... she may have revealed 90+% of her game. She goes through each round and explains all of her moves and why she made them. Like Charmander, she played a strong social game (at least I think so). Both of their social games were different. Seeing how this Jury looked to be in favor of Charmander before the finale, I'm hoping you guys will at least give Tangela a chance and find out how she earned her spot in the final 2. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, because I've learned that apparently I'm bad at reading people after playing this game  , but it seemed like Charmander played his social game so that he would build relationships with players and cater to his allie's votes, whereas Tangela played her social game so that she could progress further in the game without looking like a threat and catering to her own personal gain. Now, being a Survivor fan, I would vote with Tangela's strategy. But since this is Big Brother, is Charmander's strategy more respectable/common? Or am I missing something? Or just reading their gameplay completely wrong? |
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Post by Ninjask on Aug 7, 2013 23:03:57 GMT
Ninjask; He and I actually made a Final 2 deal in the very beginning of the game, a deal of which I didn't plan to honor after just a single round (He never really told me all of the information he had, which I felt, as his 'F2 partner' -- I should know everything he does, so I lost trust in him). I don't think Ninjask planned on honoring the Final 2 either, since our speaking terms dipped a bit after the first round, but I still believe we did have loyalty to each other and still a some-what alliance, to the point of which I would be low on his list of people who to put up. 1) I told her every piece of info I ever got my hands on. ._. 2) I had full intent of sticking to that F2. 3) I stopped seeing Tangela on AIM at the same time as me, so communication did drop pretty sharply, but that happens in games sometimes. At the point of my elimination, I saw Tangela as my closest ally and she had my full loyalty. |
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Post by Gloom on Aug 8, 2013 0:06:05 GMT
Ugh, I'm actually having a hard time deciding my vote! While I'm definitely closer with Charmander and I love him to pieces, I do kind of respect Tangela's strategy a little more. Although I'm also kind of like you, Scyther, because I am more of a Survivor fan and I think I like Tangela a little more BECAUSE she used more of a Survivor strategy. Ugh, it's hard!
I don't really like how Tangela just basically told Celebi to piss off though. I mean, it's the final two! Answer your damn questions! LOL
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Post by Gloom on Aug 8, 2013 0:11:35 GMT
She probably would have had better luck taking you to the finale (atleast with people less decided then myself), then someone like Charmander whom has a bunch of friends on the jury.:x I liked this comment at first but then the more I think about it.... I think Tangela would have a hard time winning against Scyther as well! I mean, for me personally, I at least respected Scyther's game at least because he was straight forward. Tangela was more duplicitous I feel. It may have been more of a lose/lose situation. |
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Post by Scyther on Aug 8, 2013 0:52:09 GMT
She probably would have had better luck taking you to the finale (atleast with people less decided then myself), then someone like Charmander whom has a bunch of friends on the jury.:x I liked this comment at first but then the more I think about it.... I think Tangela would have a hard time winning against Scyther as well! I mean, for me personally, I at least respected Scyther's game at least because he was straight forward. Tangela was more duplicitous I feel. It may have been more of a lose/lose situation. I was so straight-forward and honest with people because my social skills SUCK. You can even look at my application for this game - I said before this game even started that I would rely more on my skills in challenges rather than my social game, lol. It's not that I don't want to talk with people, I'm just terrible at gaining people's trust. This is why I liked strategizing with Tangela more than Charmander. With Tangela, it was game game game challenges game game. With Charmander, it was more like "How was your day?", etc. as he relied more on personal conversation to gain trust, rather than strategic conversation. |
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, but it seemed like Charmander played his social game so that he would build relationships with players and cater to his allie's votes, whereas Tangela played her social game so that she could progress further in the game without looking like a threat and catering to her own personal gain. Now, being a Survivor fan, I would vote with Tangela's strategy. But since this is Big Brother, is Charmander's strategy more respectable/common? Or am I missing something? Or just reading their gameplay completely wrong?
