Scyther Brings Down the Scythes

[Scyther]

First of all, congratulations to both of you for making it to the finale.

Second, you guys shouldn’t be surprised that I’m a little bitter after recently being knocked out of the game… I hope you guys will understand my bitchiness.

I want to address you guys separately. I knew you guys on much different terms than the rest of the jury, and I think I deserve a chance to give you guys a chance to explain yourselves after I confront you two about a few things.





 

Charmander

Your closing statement doesn’t cut it for me. I don’t buy it. Your argument is that you were “buddy-buddy” with everyone and you’re trying to win their votes off of their relationships and their failed attempts at turning the game in their favor, rather than your own strategy. When you “pushed” for the Leafeon/Lopunny nominations in round one, I approached YOU about that. I was the one who helped start that alliance of 6 with the sole purpose of splitting that pair up. You can’t say you “pushed” for it socially when the plan was already set in motion before you even joined the alliance! 

That ONE vote you had casted against you from the first eviction? That was me. Great job getting Sableye out for it, though – your double-dealing for that “information” really paid off there. You may argue that your strong social skills got you to this point, but you also believed as much bullshit as you told.

The move you and Gloom made to overturn the majority alliance and flip the house upside-down was a laughable attempt at throwing the game for a loop. You clearly did not have the numbers to pull that off if your plan were to backfire, and when it DID, JYNX, the nominee FROM THE ALLIANCE still on the block, WASN’T VOTED OFF! Where were your strong social skills when the vote was 4-2 and ALL YOU NEEDED was ONE person from the alliance to flip and have Gloom make the tiebreaking vote to get Jynx out of the house?

Then comes the Lopunny/Charmander situation when the vote was 1-1. Jynx voted for your eviction, and Tangela voted for Lopunny’s eviction. I WAS THE DECIDING VOTE. You have NO idea how close I was to voting you out… and you think your relationship with me was what saved you? Ask Lopunny yourself, and you will find out that I was STRUGGLING to keep you over Lopunny. Guess who was the person who eventually convinced me to save your ass? TANGELA.

And lastly, this game is not all about social skills. I did NOT make it to the Final Three just by talking my way to the end. When my back was against the wall, I won vetoes. When I wanted somebody out of the house, I organized my allies to win HoHs and got them voted out the next round (Leafeon/Gloom). The only reason why Tangela decided to face you in the end, is because my argument to win the game was SO MUCH STRONGER than either of yours. Both of you know this, and because of that, I’m here reading your weak arguments.

With all of that said and done, I think your move to overturn the alliance of 6 was a brilliant idea, but it was with extremely bad timing. 

So my two questions for you are: 

First, what was your thorough thought-process behind overturning the alliance of 6, and if it had actually worked and I was evicted, who (specifically) would have been your next targets for eviction until the finale? And as a reminder, Gloom, Dewgong, Lopunny, you, Mr. Mime, Milotic, Tangela, and Jynx would still be in the game at this point.

Second, I thought the alliance of 6 was what carried you through the game. Why bash on it so much when you wouldn’t be where you are now because of it? Would you “hate” the alliance so much if Jynx and Milotic had stayed on the Jury, and Ninjask and Celebi had not taken their place? Because all I’m reading is a lot of kissing ass to the Jury members, and I know there would not be as much ass-kissing had Jynx and Milotic had not gone inactive and stayed on the Jury. I just want some clarity on the direction of your closing statement.

 

Tangela
I’m not sure why you took the Survivor approach when this game has nothing to do with Survivor, however, I DO appreciate you explaining the strategy behind your decisions, and not kissing ass in order to gain votes to win this game. I just wish you had taken a more straight-forward approach rather than something that’s so cliché.


You were very loyal to our alliance and to me, especially. At first, I wanted to ask why you decided to vote to keep Charmander over me in the finale, but as I mentioned in my address to Charmander, I think I know why, now.


I don’t have much else to say about your opening statement. Everything is clear as day, and I think you said everything you needed to say.


However, I do have two questions for you…

First, when you say you made yourself look like an asset to everyone, why did you decide to stick with the alliance and seemingly float by, rather than make a power move and try to overturn the alliance?

Second, I want you to briefly explain to me how you made yourself look like an asset to Celebi, Ninjask, Lopunny, Mr. Mime, and Dewgong… basically, the non-members of our alliance of 6, and how you were able to keep your name out of their mouths from ever putting you up on the block.

[Charmander]

~*Double Dealing Charmander's Reply To Scyther*~



Your closing statement doesn’t cut it for me.

It was an opening statement, not a closing statement.



When you “pushed” for the Leafeon/Lopunny nominations in round one, I approached YOU about that. I was the one who helped start that alliance of 6 with the sole purpose of splitting that pair up. You can’t say you “pushed” for it socially when the plan was already set in motion before you even joined the alliance! 

I pushed for them to leave as soon as I left the block. Yes you approached me about the group of six. But I was already close with Milotic, I was already close with Gloom, I was already close with Tangela, and I was already close with Jynx all on one to one basis. Before we made that alliance I had a deal with Jynx to watch her back, we were talking in PM throughout round one which helped me get her to want me to stay in the game. Milotic and me agreed to work together after I joined a game he was hosting. He wanted to work with me, because he saw me as a great player. Tangela and me bonded over a mutual friend which gave us reason to have each other’s backs and work together. Gloom and me have known each other before and we were basically fucking each other, minus us having boyfriends..so I knew I wanted to work with him. That entire group was of people I was already working with. It was all the people I was talking to about wanting Lopunny/Leafeon up and out. So when you say the plan was already set in motion before I joined the alliance? What do you mean?The alliance was formed somewhat because of Me and Tangela. The people in it, and all. It was a mutual thing, that alliance was not made by you alone. Not at all.




That ONE vote you had casted against you from the first eviction? That was me. Great job getting Sableye out for it, though – your double-dealing for that “information” really paid off there. You may argue that your strong social skills got you to this point, but you also believed as much bullshit as you told.

I have said multiple times, and I will say it again. I was told Sableye voted me out..I never knew for certain. It makes you feel warm inside knowing that you did that, great! But it shows you even more the other 4 people in that alliance..I was close to in round one. I was close with Celebi, I was close with Leafeon/Lopunny...the people that wanted me out days before. I was close with Mr. Mime who many people hated. You may have sent a vote my way, and think you created this group of six but that is not the case at all. You weren’t well liked with many people in the game. They saw you as an enemy.



The move you and Gloom made to overturn the majority alliance and flip the house upside-down was a laughable attempt at throwing the game for a loop. You clearly did not have the numbers to pull that off if your plan were to backfire, and when it DID, JYNX, the nominee FROM THE ALLIANCE still on the block, WASN’T VOTED OFF! Where were your strong social skills when the vote was 4-2 and ALL YOU NEEDED was ONE person from the alliance to flip and have Gloom make the tiebreaking vote to get Jynx out of the house?

If you were able to read my opening statement, instead of my closing statement..you would understand that I was hoping Tangela would have been down to vote out Jynx and go against you in the game. Instead, Tangela wanted to protect you. This was something I didn’t expect, and turned my game upside down. Our plan failed and instead we had to swap it up. I had to play on the rebound, and attempt to get Lopunny/Mr Mime/Myself together. Then Mr. Mime thought I wasn’t to be trusted. My social game was 100% amazing for the first half of this game. With the two expulsions, and lack of the other side winning HOH..it made the group of 6 completely dominate. I played every side to make sure I was never going to be a target. And it worked. Up until the Gloom HOH run, I was never targeted to leave. That move was to swap up the game and make sure I could have gotten to the end. That was my entire point. I had to re-analysis when the plan didn’t work. I had a Plan B, my one on one with Tangela. I was still able to make it work enough to go to the end. If Milotic was active, he too wanted you out. The only people who hated me for that move was you and Jynx. Nobody else had Charmander on their shit list.





Then comes the Lopunny/Charmander situation when the vote was 1-1. Jynx voted for your eviction, and Tangela voted for Lopunny’s eviction. I WAS THE DECIDING VOTE. You have NO idea how close I was to voting you out… and you think your relationship with me was what saved you? Ask Lopunny yourself, and you will find out that I was STRUGGLING to keep you over Lopunny. Guess who was the person who eventually convinced me to save your ass? TANGELA.

Hey Scyther, guess who talked with Tangela? ME. Because Tangela was shaky that entire round.Coming into this game, Lopunny and me had a lot of history. A LOT. We have a love/hate relationship. Going into the first round, and his premade alliance with Leafeon...Lopunny targeted me for eviction. I rebuilt my relationship with Lopunny, and was able to actually work with him with one thing known. I knew that Lopunny was a lying hoe that would stab me or anyone else the first chance he had to. And I knew going against him was going to be hard. Like me, Lopunny plays a strong social game. Mr Mime wasn’t thinking with his head when he didn’t trust me and target you and Jynx instead of me/Lopunny. Tangela was able to see, and I was able to explain Lopunny/Mine relationship. I knew I couldn’t convince you of anything at that point. Again, my entire relationship with you and JYnx was gone. I couldn’t have planned for milotic getting expelled. If Milotic didn’t get expelled, I would have had Milotic’s vote as well.This game was played socially by me as much as I could. I couldn’t handle the expulsions. That was out of my control. Milotic was 100% with me. Redread had a deal with me as well. I didn’t know Hitmonlee at all. Things could have been much different if they weren’t expelled. Jynx/You were the only people who hated me after Gloom’s move.





And lastly, this game is not all about social skills

I disagree. I play Big Brother as a social game. You were looked at as a threat since around Week 3. Nobody noticed me until mid jury stage. Big Brother is not survivor, HOHs can change on the dime. One week an alliance of 6 could have HOH, but the next Mr Mime can have it, or the alliance of 2 that is being picked off can have it. The best BB players: Danielle Reyes, Will Kirby. They don’t play in “teams” they play all sides. I played all sides. I made it to the end playing all of those sides. Up until I made that power move with Gloom and it failed, I was nobodies target. We knew we had to do it at that point. But one thing we couldn’t plan for: Milotic getting expelled, and Tangela not siding with us. Mr. Mime not trusting us but instead trusting you guys. These are all late in the game events. I played this entire time, a social game. And then I was able to recover from that strongly enough to seem weak enough in the Final 3 by Tangela. Social games in Big Brother is how you win, I didn’t need any vetoes or any HOHs, and I am sitting here. If you never won a veto, or never won an HOH. Could you say the same about your 3rd place? I don’t think you could.





First, what was your thorough thought-process behind overturning the alliance of 6, and if it had actually worked and I was evicted, who (specifically) would have been your next targets for eviction until the finale? And as a reminder, Gloom, Dewgong, Lopunny, you, Mr. Mime, Milotic, Tangela, and Jynx would still be in the game at this point.

I think I somewhat explained this above. But in addition. If you didn’t win the veto and were evicted that week. The only person that would be pissed would be Jynx. Tangela would want Gloom out. My huge target would turn to Lopunny. Knowing his history, I wouldn’t trust him. In addition, Mr. Mime winning a lot of challenges would turn to him as a threat.I would try and target Jynx/Lopunny, and still work with Tangela/Milotic as well if I still could. If you left that round, my game would have been perfect. Because everyone but Jynx would have kept me.Ideal Final 2:Gloom and myselfFinal 3 maybe Dewgong4th: Tangela or Mr Mime5th: Tangela or Mr Mime6th/7th: Jynx/Lopunny





Second, I thought the alliance of 6 was what carried you through the game. Why bash on it so much when you wouldn’t be where you are now because of it? Would you “hate” the alliance so much if Jynx and Milotic had stayed on the Jury, and Ninjask and Celebi had not taken their place? Because all I’m reading is a lot of kissing ass to the Jury members, and I know there would not be as much ass-kissing had Jynx and Milotic had not gone inactive and stayed on the Jury. I just want some clarity on the direction of your closing statement.


I don’t think you realize until I post this, that Milotic and me were very close. I lost contact with Jynx because I was fed up just PMing the bitch. I never would have lost Milotic. If Milotic was active, I would have had another person going after you. Milotic wanted you and Tangela out hardcore. I could have focused that energy into taking you out of the game.I hated the group of six because it was a powerhouse. Nobody else from the minority other then Mr Mime was able to gain enough power. My entire game was to play both sides, in hopes that both would be able to gain HOH and take someone out every other week..as I played the middle. Due to inactivity, and you/Jynx being power houses that didn’t happen.I am not trying to kiss ass the jury. I made great friendships with many of the people sitting over there. I was able to work with every single jury member. And I truly had some of their backs more then I ever had yours/Tangelas. But you guys didn’t even realize that.Ninjask, Celebi, Gloom, Dewgong, Mr. Mime they are all people I wanted to work with and take YOU out. Even Lopunny was working with me to take YOU out.I don’t think I should be looked at as “weak” or an “Easy win” If anything, I should be deemed a social goddess for the way I outplayed you so much until Gloom made that power move against you. I wanted you out just as much as him, yet I was still sitting in that final 3 with you. You and Tangela evicted Lopunny over me. You and Tangela took out Mr. Mime before me.



Good luck on your decision, Scyther. Nothing but love, seriously. This was a very fun game.



<3 <3 xoxo

[Scyther]

Thank you for the honest response and I'm REALLY glad you took the time to respond to all of my points. I definitely appreciate the insight on what was going on.

Good luck with the jury votes.

I look forward to your answers, Tangela.

[tangela]

I’m not sure why you took the Survivor approach when this game has nothing to do with Survivor, however, I DO appreciate you explaining the strategy behind your decisions, and not kissing ass in order to gain votes to win this game. I just wish you had taken a more straight-forward approach rather than something that’s so cliché.

Like I said in Ninjask's post; I got them mixed up -- I rarely ever play Big Brother, so my opening statements usually consist of how I believe I accomplished the three O's, lulz. Oop. I'd love to know what you thought was so ~cliché about my game, though. 

First, when you say you made yourself look like an asset to everyone, why did you decide to stick with the alliance and seemingly float by, rather than make a power move and try to overturn the alliance?

I think you're incorrectly using the term floater, and confusing it with bystander -- a bystander being something something I was FAR from. I never, not once let the game play me -- I always played the game. I knew the social dynamics of the game, who to talk to at what time, when to form alliances/ when to break them off. You're telling me that you think I "floated around" the game which couldn't be the furthest from the truth.. I will explain how: 

Round 1: Telling Poliwrath that Lopunny/Leafeon were friends before the game (before this became public information), and after he was evicted, I TOLD HIM to post in the thread that they were friends before the game, so everyone would know and it would put a target on both of their backs. 

Round 2: I asked you who you would put up if you were HoH -- once I made sure it would be Lopunny & Leafeon, I helped you and got Jynx and Charmander to also help you win the HoH so you could get your hands dirty for me. While all this happened, I kept in contact with Lopunny (I knew she was the one staying) and made sure that she believed I had nothing to do with it, and made it seem like I fought for her to stay. I knew that once Leafeon was out, Lopunny would feel like everyone was against her, and I wanted to be a person she felt she could trust, just so I could stay good from all angles of the game. 

Round 3: I won HoH and despite what you, Jynx, Charmander, Milotic, and Gloom ALL wanted, I played my own game by putting up Celebi & Sableye -- I knew that telling Lopunny everyone wanted me to put her up (which was true) and me going against it will further her trust in me, but also wanted to do what was best for me, which is why Celebi/Sableye were up -- two people who I believe had ties to Lopunny (which would calm my alliance down if they were to get angry I didn't put her up). By putting these two noms up, I only strengthened all bonds I had, from both sides of the game. 

Round 4: Despite everyone STILL thinking Lopunny was the biggest threat against our alliance, I pushed and pushed for Celebi to be voted out; making the point that she will be coming for both Scyther and I, since we both put her up for eviction, and is far more likable than Lopunny in terms of talking to people and gaining leverage on them. Scyther kept trying to ~softly hint that Celebi could be used for us as a vote, which only made me want to vote her out even more, because I wanted everyone (except myself) to have very limited wiggle-room in terms of who they're aligned with/talking to.

Round 5: Mr. Mime puts up Dewgong & Ninjask -- I was the deciding vote on who should leave -- I was closer to Dewgong and had a side-alliance with him outside of the core-6 alliance. Boring round. 

Round 6: Gloom wins HoH and puts up *SURPRISE* Jynx & Scyther -- my two biggest allies. I IMMEDIATELY went to work when I saw these nominees. Before the Veto was even posted, I spoke with Gloom and acted pleased with his nominations and wanted to be sure that he thought I was on board with voting out Scyther (his main target). 

(Me to Gloom) 

Hey, haven't caught you online since before you won (congrats, btw). Thanks for not putting me up. 

IDK who your main target is this week, but hopefully it's Scyther, and not Jynx. He's the biggest social threat, and also a big competition threat.

After this, I went to work by telling everyone that I believe had to do something with Scyther/Jynx's nomination (IE: Charmander, Lopunny, & Gloom) believed that Dewgong was Scyther's #1 ally (there was simply no other possible person I could properly convince was closest to Scyther) so that if Veto was used, Dewgong would go up on the block, and not myself. It sucked having to sacrifice Dewgong, but I felt like it was him or I going up as a replacement, if Scyther was the main target (because I was obviously close to Scyther). 

(Convo with Lopunny)

Lopunny: So, what'd you think about this weeks noms?

Tangela: I was gonna ask the same, lulz.

I think they're good; Scyther is a big threat.

But I would've put up Dewgong instead of Jynx, since he and Dewgong are close.

Lopunny: Oh, I didn't know they were close.

Tangela: They are.

Everytime I talk to Scyther about votes he's like "Well, I definitely have Dewgong"

And when Dewgong was up, he tried hardcore to save him.

Lopunny: Yea, I noticed that. I just didn't realize it was because they were close.

Hmm...

I thought he was just taking a stab at Ninjask, rather than protecting Dewgong.

Tangela: Naw, he was telling me last HoH he hopes me or Dewgong win it so he's safe.

But he was saying Dewgong's song sucked.

So apparently they exchanged their HoH songs.

So yeah, they be close.

(Message to Gloom)

If I had to suggest putting anyone up, I would suggest Dewgong. He and Scyther are close and him winning HoH would mean you probably going up. If he leaves, Scyther would have to win the HoH against everyone else, since we all agreed that he should go.

I knew that I needed both Jynx & Scyther to stay that week, as my closest allies, and Dewgong was the only possible scapegoat. 

Now, I knew that if Scyther came off and Dewgong was up against Jynx, Dewgong would most likely go home without much of any need to campaign. But, if Jynx was taken down and it was Dewgong vs Scyther, I would've had to put in some work, needing 4 votes to stay in the game. I had spoken to Jynx and Milotic, so I knew we had at least 3 votes and so we needed a 4th. I was almost 100% certain that Charmander had something to do with/had some knowledge that Gloom was going to put up Scyther/Jynx, and Lopunny has become more and more shady throughout the game, so I knew I had to talk to Mr. Mime. During the entire game, Mime and I have made round-by-round deals, but I knew I had to make something a LOT more solid with him if I wanted to depend on his vote to keep Scyther over Dewgong (again, this is all pre-veto and assuming Jynx came off as a nom). After this, I messaged Mr. Mime to form an actual alliance with him, which secured his vote to save my girl Jynx. 

Round 7: Once again, I purposely threw the HoH competition and let Scyther win it, so he could put up the noms that I would've put up had I won (Lopunny/Gloom). At this point, I was still cool with both sides and acting as if I wanted the opposing side out. I still had no enemies/ no one targeting me, and wanted to keep it that way. Once Lopunny was taken down, Charmander was the obvious nominee, and of course the pawn. Gloom HAD to go. 

Round 8: Mr. Mime puts up Scyther & Lopunny, the two biggest competitions threats besides Mr. Mime himself. At this point, Jynx & I were solid with Scyther, and Milotic was doing whatever she was told to by whoever told her to do it first, so I knew Scyther wasn't going anywhere. Now, I knew that if Lopunny had won the Veto, I NEEDED to be sure that Jynx was put up as a nominee, so I messaged Mr. Mime immediately to ensure that it was Charmander he would put up. 

Hayy, just a heads up, Charmander and Lopunny both told me that if they win it, they're putting you up (Charmander said he'd put you and Lopunny up, Lopunny said she'd put you and Scyther up).

By doing this, I ensured my alliance's safety from the block, and made sure that Charmander would be the one to be put up on the block (once again, as a pawn), and Lopunny leaves. 

Round 9: Milotic quitting put a major hole in my plan, because I wanted Mr. Mime out 6th place and Scyther out for 5th -- Milotic's quitting pushed us to a Final 5 two big competition players, which put me in big danger come the final 2. Once again, I planned on helping Scyther win the HoH so he could put up Charmander/Mr. Mime against each other (I didn't want Mr. Mime coming after me if he won Veto). I also wanted him to win the Final 5 HoH so he wouldn't be able to compete in the Final 4 HoH, and it would be 3 (Me, Charmander, Jynx) vs 1 (Scyther) for Veto, and as long as Scyther didn't win the Veto, he would go home. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to help too much since I worked all day that day, but I did manage to help him with very little. I knew that it would be a 4 vs.1 battle in the Veto to have Mr. Mime eliminated, since he was the biggest competition force, and was a threat to ALL of our games at the finale. Fortunately, I blazed through the PoV and managed to eliminate powerhouse Mr. Mime. 

Round 10: Jynx quitting (whom I planned on bringing to the final 2 with me) put yet ANOTHER gigantic hole in my plan, as the room for error to eliminate Scyther, the last big powerhouse of the game, and it also forced me to be in the final 2 with Charmander, whom I didn't want to be sitting in the final 2 with, due to his connections with some of the jurors. I easily beat Charmander in our portion of the final HoH, and luck was a bit on my side when against Scyther, and I managed to come out on top, sending Scyther, my last biggest threat, home. 

SO YEAH! That made for a long post (and I'm only half way done with your questions). I hope you changed your mind on me being a ~floater~, Scyther (which, with all the strategy I've talked with you all game -- I'm surprised/insulted you even dared to call me). 

Second, I want you to briefly explain to me how you made yourself look like an asset to Celebi, Ninjask, Lopunny, Mr. Mime, and Dewgong… basically, the non-members of our alliance of 6, and how you were able to keep your name out of their mouths from ever putting you up on the block.

I think I explained some of this above, but I'll go into more detail. 

Dewgong: We had a 3-way alliance together, and I knew that he wasn't very strongly attached to anyone outside of the 3-way. I didn't need to work on Dewgong very much because he was very limited with who trusted him, so if he were to win an HoH, you and I would both have a heavy influence on who he put up. 

Ninjask; He and I actually made a Final 2 deal in the very beginning of the game, a deal of which I didn't plan to honor after just a single round (He never really told me all of the information he had, which I felt, as his 'F2 partner' -- I should know everything he does, so I lost trust in him). I don't think Ninjask planned on honoring the Final 2 either, since our speaking terms dipped a bit after the first round, but I still believe we did have loyalty to each other and still a some-what alliance, to the point of which I would be low on his list of people who to put up.

Lopunny - I formed a bit of a friendship with Lopunny early on -- not putting her up when everyone else wanted to, not voting her out on the two times she was nominated, and I even spoke with her on things outside of the game sometimes (something I didn't do with many of the other players). I also feel that I kept her in the loop (with telling her information and what's going on within the 6-person alliance) so that she would want to target bigger threats other than myself. I always wanted to make it seem like she had some pull on me (which she could've, had I been presented with a proper move by her) so I don't think I would've been a target of hers at all had she won HoH. 

Mr. Mime -- No one had formed an actual ALLIANCE with Mr. Mime, it was always more of a "don't nom me, I won't nom you" deal with him. While I did have the same deal with him going (help me/ I help you) I then PMed him with information about players coming after him, and I offered him a solid, actual alliance in order to A) Have people who were coming for him be put up over my alliance members B) Have safety during his many many HoH reigns. I never felt nervous whenever Mr. Mime won HoH, because unlike many other players, I spoke to him when he wasn't HoH, as well as when he was, and I also looked out for him (when it was convenient to). 

Celebi -- Celebi is the only juror I didn't really give 100% effort into being an asset to, because she was such an early boot, I didn't really need to. When I had put her up, I told her that she wasn't my target and that she shouldn't be worried. That's about as far as it went in terms of making it seem like I'm on her side. I knew she had to go and with everyone in the game agreeing on this, setting myself up for future plans with Celebi was pointless. 

[Scyther]

Very nice and thorough response, Tangela. I really hope the other jurors take the time to read it because there's a lot of important information... I just don't want it to be looked glanced* over because of the wall of text.

My only two comments/corrections (mostly due to poor wording on my part) is that: I thought your statement was cliche, not the way you played the game, going with the Survivor-themed speech. And second, I said "seemingly float by" because some players thought you floated due to our alliance, and I wanted to give you the chance to reveal that you actually played a heavy hand in getting people out.